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 Post subject: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:48 pm 
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Richard S. Lindzen writes on climate change hysteria.

View full article here:

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:10 pm 
Look out for the bloody warmists. They'll soon be out in force due to this years Arctic ice extent looking to repeat 2007's record retreat!

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:26 pm 

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THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Damn fine story. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Pericles wrote:
THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Damn fine story. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:16 pm 
Browsing around the Quadrant Online site that published Lindzen's article, I discovered Australian Senator Steve Fielding's run-in with their Climate Change Minister. The Carter-Evans-Franks-Kininmonth due diligence report on that exchange contains a killer:

“... But in concluding that “GCMs [computer models - SD] can and do simulate decade-long periods of warming or even slight
cooling embedded in longer-term warming trends” the Department is implying that the lack of warming since 1998 is caused by a natural cooling forcing of sufficient strength to temporarily overcome the assumed longer-term carbon dioxide-forced warming.

Hitherto, the IPCC (e.g. 3AR, 2001) has argued that the climate system possesses only limited internal variability, which is why carbon dioxide forcing came to assume especial significance in their eyes.”

In other words, ask them if the late 20th Century warming was within the limits of natural variability, and they say that natural cycles aren't strong enough to explain the extent of warming. But ask them why there has been no warming for the last decade and they cite natural variations overcoming the underlying trend.

So which is it?

Incidentally, I caught Stephen Fry's tour of the US at the weekend on “Dave”, in which Ted Turner was allowed to expound briefly on global warming. I'm sure the Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at MIT would be interested to know that he's on a par with UFO believers, spiritualists, and Muslim fundamentalists in the great scientist Turner's eyes.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:34 pm 
As I noted here and elsewhere. the attempt to hold the climate of the planet to the present mean, whatever that is, assumes that the present climate is the very best of all, and that we have the means to hold it there. This is hubris of planetery proportions, and will not end well. The tragedy is that it is ordinary wage earners who will have to pay for all this idiocy. Politicians, and those who are intent on making a quick buck, will do very well.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
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The way Lindzen put it was:
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Nor is the assumption that the earth’s climate reached a point of perfection in the middle of the twentieth century a sign of intelligence.

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:06 pm 
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SandyRham wrote:
The way Lindzen put it was:
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Nor is the assumption that the earth’s climate reached a point of perfection in the middle of the twentieth century a sign of intelligence.


Nice way with words!

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:05 pm 
How is today's average global temperature (low, high, average of low and high?) ascertained?
For how long have we had measured temperatures at properly spaced locations around the globe, regularly
recorded and averaged?
How can one "Enter the code EXACTLY as it appears"?


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:46 am 
The basic impulse to all this is fear of death,not about "saving the planet". Anyone with an IQ higher than a paperclip knows this mud ball will keep going long after we have gone,until the sun consumes it. The earth isn't anybody's mummy,ask the dinosaurs.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:20 am 

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Special K from NJ wrote:
For how long have we had measured temperatures at properly spaced locations around the globe, regularly recorded and averaged?


You might like to have a look at Anthony Watts' www.surfacestations.org project. In short, we don't really have them now.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:44 am 
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Anyone thought of the disconnected agitation of organisations like Greenpeace regarding the oil peak story and global warming?

The fossil fuels to be burned are certainly limited. And if these fuel reserves are going to be gone soon then there will be no means to produce climate change drivers, right? So if the oil peak story is true, then there may be some more warming due to mankind burning fossil fuels but it will be limited.

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:21 am 

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Harris,

The argument is that the effect of extra CO2 is exponential when taken with other factors which enhance its effects. We may be nearing a tipping point where the climate changes to a warmer state, just like Venus. Hence any extra CO2 we put into the atmosphere is dicing with death. If we are not near the tipping point, we are still causing dangerous climate change which will kill billions. I don't accept it.

Fossil fuels are certainly limited and tend to come from unstable parts of the world. We have to look to ways to live without them, but the Climate Change mania isn't really about practical proposals to deal with real problems.

This argument does tend to polarise simplistically. If you doubt AGW, then you are saying that fossil fuels are unlimited and we can carry on forever.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:04 pm 

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Hence any extra CO2 we put into the atmosphere is dicing with death.

Two hundred million years of fossil records say bollox!
Most of that was 2-5 times the CO2 today and the biosphere thrived.
Anyone who thinks that by altering CO2 output Man can influence the climate is living in a playpen.
Water is THE greenhouse gas and CO2 is irrelevant. This is shown by cloudless nights in the deep desert under bone-dry air where very high daytime temperatures radiate away to a deep chill overnight despite the best efforts of 'greenhouse' CO2.
The trillion dollar question is how cold does it have to get before the warmists realize just how stupid the whole thing has become.

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change hysteria
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:56 pm 
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The trillion dollar question is how cold does it have to get before the warmists realize just how stupid the whole thing has become.


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