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 Post subject: They never learn
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:33 pm 
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In this case "they" are not the politicians but the next group in the low-life stakes, journalists of the MSM. As it happens, we have not written much about the momentous events in Iran, partly because it is hard to fit them into the pattern of this blog and partly because they have been widely covered.

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:53 pm 
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It started as a another secret service coup–a colour coded revolution of the kind we have seen in Eastern Europe–to put the U.S. candidate Mousavi in power and so continue Pax Americana’s long and fruitful collaboration with radical Islam (further reading: Operation Cyclone, Iran Contra scandal, Iranian arming of Jihadists in the Balkans, the attempted criminalisation of the PMOI – Iran’s only significant opposition group). But now after the Iranian state’s fearsome crackdown it has become much bigger than that. The Iranian protesters are, as fate would have it, calling America’s bluff about “Freedom and Democracy”. America can’t deliver on this because Islamic Iran is a crucial part of the Eurasian strategy, the “Grand Chessboard” as Zbigniew Brzezinski called it in the his book of the same name.


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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US candidate Mousavi? Just what are you smoking? Oh and I really would not believe that propaganda about Eastern Europe, a region about which you seem to have very hazy notions.


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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Make no mistake, America will not easily abandon it's Iranian ally. Iran will have to lose a war before that happens. Like in Georgia.


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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Why have journalists throughout the west become so rancid? It seems to be not a majority,but an overwhelming majority. These people are nihilistic,vicious and stupid. What stops this?

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:30 am 
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DaddyWarhol wrote:
Make no mistake, America will not easily abandon it's Iranian ally. Iran will have to lose a war before that happens. Like in Georgia.


Don't you think that Obama's anti-meddling stance is genuine?
If the US did this then probably some secret organisation residing somewhere under the White House is in charge.

Ever heard of the German expression 'fremdschämen' ?

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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Ever heard of the German expression 'fremdschämen' ?

No actually, what's it used to mean?

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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Not sure journalists "have become" rancid. They certainly are but I think they largely were in the past. Think of their role in the Vietnam debacle. Or, alternatively, remember that wonderful play and film "The Front Page".


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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SandyRham wrote:
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Ever heard of the German expression 'fremdschämen' ?

No actually, what's it used to mean?


It describes the feeling of being embarassed for somebody else's action and the urgent need to look away or cover one's ears.

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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harris wrote:
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Ever heard of the German expression 'fremdschämen' ?

No actually, what's it used to mean?


It describes the feeling of being embarassed for somebody else's action and the urgent need to look away or cover one's ears.


You have to give it to the Germans ... sometimes they have just the right word.

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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The Germans often do have le mot juste but is this one really appropriate to the circumstances? Or are you suggesting that Obama is embarrassed by his own actions such as that truly stupid speech in Cairo? Could you elucidate as it is some time since I have been in a Germanic environment. PDT_Armataz_01_25


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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I thought Harris was thinking of DaddyW when he mentioned "Fremdschämen", at least that was how I felt when I read DaddyW's post. PDT_Armataz_01_06


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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mikgen wrote:
I thought Harris was thinking of DaddyW when he mentioned "Fremdschämen", at least that was how I felt when I read DaddyW's post. PDT_Armataz_01_06


You've got it

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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
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Thank you, Harris and Mikgen. It is good to have one's suspicions confirmed. PDT_Armataz_01_36


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 Post subject: Re: They never learn
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:24 pm 
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Yeah it is unbelievable.

What is the practical upshot of the speech Obama gave in Cairo? A speech that is ostensibly fathomlessly stupid, and yet serves to legitimise all forms of Islamic Imperialism along with the Muslims self flattering view of themselves? What is the practical result? The practical result is support for Islamic Imperialism and Islamic hubris.

America--IS--allied with radical Islam. And Iran. But you don't need to take my word for it,

"To understand how the Clinton green light would lead to this degree of Iranian influence, it is necessary to remember that the policy was adopted in the context of extensive and growing radical Islamic activity in Bosnia. That is, the Iranians and other Muslim militants had long been active in Bosnia; the American green light was an important political signal to both Sarajevo and the militants that the United States was unable or unwilling to present an obstacle to those activities -- and, to a certain extent, was willing to cooperate with them. In short, the Clinton Administration's policy of facilitating the delivery of arms to the Bosnian Muslims made it the de facto partner of an ongoing international network of governments and organizations pursuing their own agenda in Bosnia: the promotion of Islamic revolution in Europe. That network involves not only Iran but Brunei, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan (a key ally of Iran), and Turkey, together with front groups supposedly pursuing humanitarian and cultural activities."

http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1997/iran.htm


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