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 Post subject: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:40 am 
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Looking in the mirror

There will be a defence debate on Thursday in the House. MPs will hear some interesting news which will signal another shift towards realigning defence policy, closer to meet the needs of current operations, rather than feeding the industrial-military complex and the ambitions of the military for its "future wars".

The Commons chamber will be almost empty. Most of the very few MPs who will attend will not understand what they are being told. Others will misunderstand it – some deliberately. Others, of those that speak, will waffle aimlessly, delivering a variation of their stock speech used for every defence debate.

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Doing the job

Booker in his column in The Sunday Telegraph makes the case for Ann Winterton and, in so doing, also writes about The Ministry of Defeat.

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 Post subject: Re: Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:30 am 
MOD Official Newspeak Blog:
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Military humiliation? Ministry of defeat? Not so.

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Right. No point in taking risks that someone might contradict that assertion.

"Black is white, I tell you. Don't phucking argue with me."


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 Post subject: Re: Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:09 am 
I know you mentioned this before but it's nice to see it printed in a newspaper.

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The MODefeat is just like our traitorous scumbag shithead politicians. They're riddled through with Bliarpox.

Quick. We need to pump some penicillin into them. A jerrycan load per man. This is a serious infection.


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 Post subject: Re: Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:27 am 
Not so much the Ministry of Defeat,but Deass from de elbow.


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 Post subject: Re: Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 5:26 am 
What can I say? It is the same throughout the Anglosphere.

The first party which stands up and says: Bullsh*t. No global warming. No bailaouts. No more spending. ...will get elected .. immediately. And, in the case o0f the UK, re-assumption of parliamentary power - and let the EC deal with their problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:19 am 
"And when the mob gets its way, what then?"

We'll have less taxes, less legislation, less civil servants and less politicians. In their place we'll have referenda on all major Bills and International Treaties, legislation initiated or repealed by citizens able to obtain enough signatures on a petition. Local petitions will trigger by-elections (e.g. if more than half the absolute number of registered voters call for the resignation of their MP, then by law a by-election will take place).

Politicos get all supercilious - you were at it the other day, telling us the mob don't understand politics enough to answer constitutional questions - but mob ignorance has been the excuse of every tyrant in history. In fact, the unwashed masses are sharper and wiser than you give us credit for. We want to have a hand in how we're governed and so far you haven't given us any arguments against it that will wash.

Today's technology makes direct democracy easy. Why should I be able to vote on Susan Boyle but not have a say in billions of OUR money being spent on Trident? The growing revolutionary sentiment of the country can only be addressed by giving people power over their own lives. The mob will smell BS a mile away, and even if elastoplast succeeds in delaying the violent hostility of middle class people, it will only succeed in building up the pressure further for a future eruption.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:24 pm 

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I'm never sure what civilians can do about this. Email MPs? How useful is that?


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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:34 pm 
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Andrew wrote:
I'm never sure what civilians can do about this. Email MPs? How useful is that?


I think the most obnoxious thing is the sparce attendence. Many MPs are quick to capitalise on any association with the Forces and are full of regrets when "Our Boys" get killed. Yet so few of them turn up to debates and take the trouble to acquaint themselves with what is going on. Pressure on MPs just to turn up and listen to the debate, therefore, would be highly appropriate.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:05 pm 

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There's bad news from Times Online today. Their article entitled "Spy-jet cuts put troops lives at risk" reveals that:
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BRITISH soldiers on the front line are to be left exposed as the Ministry of Defence axes new spy planes and battlefield intelligence systems to help save £1.5 billion.....A total of five programmes are to be cancelled, cut back or postponed. They range from Nimrod surveillance jets to radio eavesdropping equipment and pilotless drones able to spy on the Taliban and fire missiles at them.


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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 396312.ece

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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:26 pm 
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Watchet wrote:
There's bad news from Times Online today. Their article entitled "Spy-jet cuts put troops lives at risk" reveals that:
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BRITISH soldiers on the front line are to be left exposed as the Ministry of Defence axes new spy planes and battlefield intelligence systems to help save £1.5 billion.....A total of five programmes are to be cancelled, cut back or postponed. They range from Nimrod surveillance jets to radio eavesdropping equipment and pilotless drones able to spy on the Taliban and fire missiles at them.


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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 396312.ece

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The piece is written by Mick Smith ... would look very carefully at anything he writes and ask what the real agenda might be. What you see is not what you get.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:32 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
Andrew wrote:
I'm never sure what civilians can do about this. Email MPs? How useful is that?


I think the most obnoxious thing is the sparce attendence. Many MPs are quick to capitalise on any association with the Forces and are full of regrets when "Our Boys" get killed. Yet so few of them turn up to debates and take the trouble to acquaint themselves with what is going on. Pressure on MPs just to turn up and listen to the debate, therefore, would be highly appropriate.



From the previous good work that you have carried out on MOD issues, which has made them sit up and take notice, then why can't the attendees at the defence debates, in Parliament, be listed here on EUreferendum ???


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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:36 pm 
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chig wrote:
From the previous good work that you have carried out on MOD issues, which has made them sit up and take notice, then why can't the attendees at the defence debates, in Parliament, be listed here on EUreferendum ???


There is no vote on this motion, so the attendees are not listed. We can pick up the speakers, but it is not always easy to identify who is in the chamber - although we can do a head count.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:37 pm 

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Last couple of paragraphs of 'Looking in the mirror' post.....agree entirely, as specified in my reply to an earlier post(s).

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'...Magically disappear' / 'Make politics local'

As i've tried to express before, here on the forum, the EU has been centuries, nay millenia, in preparation. The old political 'trick' of the branch grafting onto the 'root' has been observed in all political machinations worldwide, and none more so than the goings-on here in Europe.
Now get this and get it real.....The EU is not going to go away (easily) !!!
There is so much energy stored up in it's [the EU's] inertial mass that it is going to take one hell of a 'fault' to get this 'baby' to release that energy back to the grounding base of the system.

That 'fault' that is required, as Richard points out, is a total change in the control of the 'mind'. I would go further than Richard and say that it is more than local, it is personal/individual. But from the viewpoint of people (en masse), at present, there is very litle chance of change happening.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:44 pm 

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RAENORTH wrote:
chig wrote:
From the previous good work that you have carried out on MOD issues, which has made them sit up and take notice, then why can't the attendees at the defence debates, in Parliament, be listed here on EUreferendum ???


There is no vote on this motion, so the attendees are not listed. We can pick up the speakers, but it is not always easy to identify who is in the chamber - although we can do a head count.


It'd be a start, at least and could provide some very useful information for future use ?!

Also, if politicians are so wrapped up in 'giving' us more societal control on our everyday whereabouts, then surely there's a case for a 'clocking on' system for them in the chamber. OK probably not going to happen but, unless we, as the people, demand this sort of thing then they'll happily go on as before.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking in the mirror / Doing the job
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:53 pm 
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There must be many like me who appreciate the political and strategic points you make in your military posts but do not have the detailed knowledge to add comments.

Doesn't mean we disagree or ignore them, though :)

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