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 Post subject: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:38 pm 
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The boss will do a far better and more measured piece about the news that both Wintertons are to step down at the next election. He knows them, especially Ann, far better than I do.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:20 pm 

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Which does make one wonder what do all those people who insist on commenting about political events really think MPs should be doing.


As always you are too nice. "Think"? Hardly the correct verb. PDT_Armataz_01_28

Please, whatever the "hit-counter" shows, plug on. Richard's (and Hannan's PDT_Armataz_01_06 ) analyses are way above anything else I've seen published about this story. Keep it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:44 pm 
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Which does make one wonder what do all those people who insist on commenting about political events really think MPs should be doing.


As always you are too nice. "Think"? Hardly the correct verb. PDT_Armataz_01_28

Please, whatever the "hit-counter" shows, plug on. Richard's (and Hannan's PDT_Armataz_01_06 ) analyses are way above anything else I've seen published about this story. Keep it up.


Thanks ... I would not be the only one who feels we are on the cusp ... the opportunity of a lifetime to drive forward change (and not the sort the Elastoplast King is thinking of). The MPs have become the focus of attention, but the public reaction reflects an overall dissatisfaction and frustration with the political classes and the way we are governed. If the public anger just drains away without any fundamental changes, we will have to go through all of this all over again - only next time will be worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:51 pm 
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mikgen wrote:
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Which does make one wonder what do all those people who insist on commenting about political events really think MPs should be doing.


As always you are too nice. "Think"? Hardly the correct verb. PDT_Armataz_01_28

Please, whatever the "hit-counter" shows, plug on. Richard's (and Hannan's PDT_Armataz_01_06 ) analyses are way above anything else I've seen published about this story. Keep it up.


Quite right Mikgen. Where would we be without those chaps?


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:04 pm 
Here is an interesting find; however, in light of what you've said in the past about British voters response to EU-related issues, I wonder how valid it is. Anyway here goes:

"On the eve of the European Election, a new ICM/TaxPayers' Alliance landscape poll on attitudes to the European Union has revealed that voters of all political allegiances, all social classes and all regions are overwhelmingly in support of radical direct action by the British Government against harmful EU policies - saying that Britain should break EU rules and then refuse to pay any consequent fines.

The poll, of 1,002 adults, also reveals a wider dissatisfaction with the European Union and a radical majority against the Euro, the Lisbon Treaty and further integration, and in support of removing powers from the EU. The financial crisis and the recession have made the British people far more eurosceptic."

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/v ... evolt.html


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:29 pm 
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Just been reading this in “Freedom Today” March 2009
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Yet the Mastiff, shortly to be followed by a smaller version (the Ridgeback), was not the Army's choice. It went for the Pinzgauer Vector, which is now to be withdrawn from service in 2015 for the simple reason that it has proved to be a death trap. .... Yet if FRES does go ahead, the UK will be stuck with more vehicles based on the blast-absorption principle, which has proved to be totally unsuitable for counter insurgency work, as the Canadians have proved.
Ann Winterton: Learning about defence procurement the hard way

At least someone was standing up for our troops.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:33 pm 
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Thanks for that, Bobby. Actually, you are quite right. It is high time we blogged that opinion poll. Mañana.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:40 pm 
what most people think is that politics took second place to the troughing; whatever you think of their political work they took great trouble to rip off the expenses system, and us, of a great deal of money.

Being good at your job does not excuse taking advantage of a system by a series of morally bankrupt decisions. There concern seems to me to be more of their own welfare, and less so of ours.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:57 pm 
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tallmattuk wrote:
what most people think is that politics took second place to the troughing; whatever you think of their political work they took great trouble to rip off the expenses system, and us, of a great deal of money.

Being good at your job does not excuse taking advantage of a system by a series of morally bankrupt decisions. There concern seems to me to be more of their own welfare, and less so of ours.


The black and white perspective isn't terribly helpful ... you might find this entertaining:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33595.html

The government ducks out of giving MPs a pay rise ... so they up their expenses. Note the date - 1992.

At the heart of this is the successive refusal of governments to grasp the nettle on MPs' pay, and make the case for how much they should be paid. The problem is that, given their current and past performance, the answer is not very much.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:26 pm 

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Re Taxpayers Poll.....the worm hasn't turned, so much as it's about to go into orbit.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:25 am 
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Re Taxpayers Poll.....the worm hasn't turned, so much as it's about to go into orbit.


No evidence of that, whatsoever. The poll is quite interesting but not much there is new and, as the questions do not come with explanations, the answers are not quite as full of meaning as people make out. TPA is being patted on the back by ConHome. Job well done - discussion taken away from the only solution. http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... -ukip.html

The reality is that there is no such thing as a eurosceptic change but the TPA is out to convince people (together with Open Europe and other suchlike organizations).


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:02 am 
"The MPs have become the focus of attention, but the public reaction reflects an overall dissatisfaction and frustration with the political classes and the way we are governed. If the public anger just drains away without any fundamental changes, we will have to go through all of this all over again - only next time will be worse."

There are distinct undercurrents.Archbishop Swampy and a Professor of Medical Greenishness got a right royal kicking in some of the clog comments. Dissatisfaction is combined with economic hardship. All the lies,restrictions,petty interference,taxation and general totalitarianism have been magnified by the realisation that they have been perpetrated by the most inferior bunch of politicians,nay people,to slither onto the national stage in generations.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:56 am 

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At the heart of this is the successive refusal of governments to grasp the nettle on MPs' pay, and make the case for how much they should be paid. The problem is that, given their current and past performance, the answer is not very much.

Or perhaps there is a simple but unsaid notion that MPs aren't worth what they would like to get. Otherwise they would stake their claim to better and more transparent pay, and point out just how demanding the job is and how dilligent they all are. With better pay comes greater scrutiny and increased demands for results that they are increasingly unwilling or unable to deliver...

Not all MPs treated the ACA as an entitlement. Not all MPs are even able to claim it. The Wintertons for all their rare performance as MPs have been slurred by their own judgement. No one made them arrange their finances in the way they did.

The political class have been underhand about their earnings with the only people that matter - us. They have been similarly underhand about their work (or lack of it) and their responsibilities (or avoidance of them) and their authority (or their abandoning of it). At every step they take the convenient, easy route. The paths of least resistance. Always with an eye on a go on the controls of Government and little care for us, the people that lend them our authority.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting there first
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:43 am 

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No evidence of that, whatsoever


I think you misunderstand just how far the sceptic cause has gone, the poll numbers are massively anti and I don't think the Green Tosser's embrace of the TPA will mean a thing, because it is so obviously false.....and that is his and all politicians main problem....no-one believes or trusts them any longer. Just makeing the right noises is no longer enough, it's action people want and if they don't get action they will throw the bums out.

The whole cozy consensus between the 3 main parties, the EU and the MSM is about to come crashing down. The Brits have put up with being lied to for decades and perhaps many believed that the EU would deliver the promised land, but as long as life was sweet not too many cared, or looked under the carpet to see what was really going on. Well now life has just got damn hard and what do they see but the very people who caused so much of this hardship, liveing the life of O'Reilly while they suffer. Where is that promised land, other than inane regulations and never ending intrusion, no-where to be found, but costing us a fortune and run by the worst troughers of all. Plus there is the 2nd Irish Referendum, which will go down in the UK faster than a concrete Zeppellin in the current environement.

Todays Sun may start the ball rolling .


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